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butterflydreaming ([personal profile] butterflydreaming) wrote2010-09-11 05:31 pm

Grammar, please

Which is correct when one person is alive and the other is deceased?

1."They both knew how to... ."
2."They both know how to... ."

Awkward no matter which.

[identity profile] the-sybil.livejournal.com 2010-09-12 02:56 am (UTC)(link)
difficult. I think, on balance, I'd go with (1), but to be honest I'd probably try and re-word the whole thing to avoid the problem. Sorry not to be more help!

[identity profile] adventurat.livejournal.com 2010-09-12 03:17 am (UTC)(link)
ditto.

[identity profile] mimerki.livejournal.com 2010-09-12 04:34 am (UTC)(link)
Casually, I'd probably go for #1 or say something like "Jane knew and Deety knows how to..." So: What she said, with example.

[identity profile] shadow-and-veil.livejournal.com 2010-09-12 05:41 pm (UTC)(link)
If I were writing, I'd throw it all out and start more cleanly, because a quick fix is still clunky.

[identity profile] mysticalforest.livejournal.com 2010-09-12 02:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Can you make one of them a zombie? Because that would solve it and be cool. :)

Barring that, what [livejournal.com profile] the_sybil said.

[identity profile] shadow-and-veil.livejournal.com 2010-09-12 05:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Especially because it would be a zombie Freddie Mercury.

[identity profile] shadow-and-veil.livejournal.com 2010-09-12 05:50 pm (UTC)(link)
No, no -- just the right amount of help. :)

I'd go with the first

[identity profile] the-same-andrew.livejournal.com 2010-09-12 03:24 pm (UTC)(link)
I'd go with the first. You could (as your Friends above have rightly pointed out) re-word the whole thing to avoid the awkward structure. However, going with your option 1) would emphasize the commonality that remains between the live one and the dead one, in the speaker's own perception. If it's a literary narrative thing, it might be worth using the awkward form and then remarking on it in the speaker's own voice.

Re: I'd go with the first

[identity profile] shadow-and-veil.livejournal.com 2010-09-12 05:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Thankfully (?), it was in conversation. It did seem a little better to go with the thing currently true of both -- that at some point in the past, both people knew how to do such and such -- rather than choose the tense that indicated that both parties currently could do so.

:)